paying legal fees out of the world wide work fund is it legal to do it?
first we need to know what the purpose is for having a www fund.. i'm not computer savvy or an "it" when it comes to putting information together to show here like so many others here can.. will someone explain how the watchtower society can legally use the www fund to pay out monies, legal fees and court directed payments to the one who have been sexually abused by pedophiles from the watchtower organization.. again what is the sole purpose in establishing the www fund?.
is it not for kingdom interest world wide and not to use it to pay out their guilty criminal activity.
sir82. Is there anything written in the literature i.e. "Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom" as a heading on the top of the Watchtower magazine that specifically mentions the purpose of the wwwfund. I remember that they did have a special contribution box in the back of the kingdom hall for this.
Slidin Fast. Loop Holes big enough to drive trucks through. Like they say, you gotta read the small print.
Blueblades
paying legal fees out of the world wide work fund is it legal to do it?
first we need to know what the purpose is for having a www fund.. i'm not computer savvy or an "it" when it comes to putting information together to show here like so many others here can.. will someone explain how the watchtower society can legally use the www fund to pay out monies, legal fees and court directed payments to the one who have been sexually abused by pedophiles from the watchtower organization.. again what is the sole purpose in establishing the www fund?.
is it not for kingdom interest world wide and not to use it to pay out their guilty criminal activity.
Paying legal fees out of the world wide work fund is it legal to do it? First we need to know what the purpose is for having a www fund.
I'm not computer savvy or an "IT" when it comes to putting information together to show here like so many others here can.
Will someone explain how the watchtower society can legally use the www fund to pay out monies, legal fees and court directed payments to the one who have been sexually abused by pedophiles from the watchtower organization.
Again what is the sole purpose in establishing the www fund?
Is it not for Kingdom interest world wide and not to use it to pay out their guilty criminal activity. Is that misappropriation of funds, pilfering those funds.Using those funds for a dishonest use? Actually stealing Kingdom funds to settle their sexual child abuse and pedophilia criminal activity?
I do want the victims of sexual child abuse and pedophilia to receive whatever the courts have imposed levied against the watchtower society.
However for the watchtower to use www funds to buy its way out of prison and or jail time even though the courts are only imposing monetary fines is to me illegal.
Does the watchtower legal department have loopholes they are jumping through to do this?
After all is not that money donated by the rank and file { including me when I was a watchtower slave for 33 years] for the sole purpose of Kingdom interest worldwide?
Blueblades
reflecting on death.
i can't remember, maybe steve jobs before he died.i thought i would share it with you and see what you think about it, and i'm quoting i think from his book.. "i'm about fifty-fifty on believing in god.
for most of my life, i've felt that there must be more to our own existence than meets the eye.. i might be overestimating the odds 50/50 out of a desire to believe in an afterlife.
Betheliesalot,I watched it Steve Jobs' sad that he is gone now. 2011 at the age of 56.
Old Navy, I listened to Keith,I am glad for you.
Blueblades
reflecting on death.
i can't remember, maybe steve jobs before he died.i thought i would share it with you and see what you think about it, and i'm quoting i think from his book.. "i'm about fifty-fifty on believing in god.
for most of my life, i've felt that there must be more to our own existence than meets the eye.. i might be overestimating the odds 50/50 out of a desire to believe in an afterlife.
Thank You for your responses. I work third shift 12 hours so when I get home I'm tired and sometimes I don't get a chance to respond to you all.
Sparky 1 Thanks for the recommendations.I ordered three of his books. Now I have one for you. Ernest Becker..The Denial Of Death. His brilliant and impassioned answer to the "why" of human existence.
Desirous of change, I don't either. Thank You.
Willyoudfme,thanks for your response.
Saethydd,I agree,thank you.
Prester John, Thank you for both of your responses. Me too.
Half Banana, Thanks for the poem and both responses. Rationally there is no alternative, so sad so true so far.
Betheliesalot, Thanks for Steve Jobs'. I will watch later.
Xanthippe,Thank you for the poem. I agree with the last sentence as hard as it is not to worry.
eyeusezbadub, Just saying...you said a lot thank you.
Finkelstein, Thank You.
Nathan Natas,I read his book and thought the full expression was in there somewhere. Thank You.
No zombie,Yes it is a sadness that washes over me too. Thank You.
Westiebilly, That is exactly what my 46 year old son said in your first sentence. Thank You.
Old Navy,I too have been with my wife now 52 years. I will watch Keith later when I can catch up. These 12 hr 3rd shifts don't give me much time to be here.
Keep your hope and happiness. I am sorry for you and her.
Thanks everyone, Blueblades
reflecting on death.
i can't remember, maybe steve jobs before he died.i thought i would share it with you and see what you think about it, and i'm quoting i think from his book.. "i'm about fifty-fifty on believing in god.
for most of my life, i've felt that there must be more to our own existence than meets the eye.. i might be overestimating the odds 50/50 out of a desire to believe in an afterlife.
Who said it? Reflecting on death. I can't remember, maybe Steve Jobs before he died.I thought I would share it with you and see what you think about it, and I'm quoting I think from his book.
"I'm about fifty-fifty on believing in God. For most of my life, I've felt that there must be more to our own existence than meets the eye.
I might be overestimating the odds 50/50 out of a desire to believe in an afterlife. I like to think that something survives after you die. It is strange to think that you accumulate all this experience, and maybe a little wisdom, and it all goes away.
So I really want to believe that something survives, that maybe your consciousness endures. But, on the other hand, perhaps it is like an on and off switch,"click" and your gone".
So, for me I no longer think in terms of a belief system.Yet we all hunger for a better life that can endure with happiness.But really do we want to go on and on and on with no end in sight, I don't know I only know what I have experienced in this life for the past 73 years. It's been a struggle because of the 33 years as a watchtower slave 1969 to 2002 when I Joined Simon's site back in 2002.
Your thought will be appreciated,thank you.
Blueblades
i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.
but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.
if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?
Correction, I meant to say that as of now I am thinking that death is the end of it all.
Also animals will behave out of the ordinary, such as hiding, acting out, doing different actions than what is normal behavior. Who knows why this is so?
Of cause it could be a number of unrelated things,I am no expert on the subject, just asking if there is any connection that science has found in relations to the paranormal.
Blueblades
i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.
but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.
if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?
Help me with this. Animals are sentient beings that can suffer and feel pain they have emotions like love and attachments.They have consciousness and perception etc.
Wouldn't they too share this phenomena and not be able to tell us or be able to let us know that something is going on that makes them behave differently.
They have a brain and a mind limited as it might be.How are we or science to explain this behavior?
For the record I have no evidence at this time of my research to accept that the physical body brain and all of its organs cease to be when death comes to it.
As to the animals I don't know. And it is ok to say "I don't know at this time." Future evidence may come along that will explain how the brain and mind work when it comes to these matters that evade us for now.
Blueblades
friends:.
simon's forum is much more than just a forum where we come to expose the watchtower.
it is a place that simon wanted people to be able to come to, to receive help, support, or find a compassionate listener.. this forum has exposed the watchtower more times than any forum on the net.
Hi! Atlantis,Thanks for posting this information about some of our dear ones here.
I started posting here in 2002, as Blueblades. I miss all the other old time posters,some have moved on others have died.
When Simon made improvements on this site, I lost my password and could not sign in as Blueblades. I asked Simon to help me get back on as Blueblades, so far I have not heard back from him.
I have used other names such as Darwin,Mall Cop and my real name which I use now.
A little information.I lived in Brooklyn close to the headquarter of the Watchtower. I was close to a number of anointed and governing body member back then. I served in a number of positions also as a slave for 33 years. 1969 to 2002.
Recently, I had open heart surgery and was given a Bovine aortic valve, then a loop recorder and four months ago a Pacemaker.
I am now 73 years old doing ok as long as I keep taking my meds .My wife and I just celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary. We have two sons and three grandsons.
Thank You for all your topics you have posted. I read them all, however I don't always respond to topics that I read by so many members here.
Take good care of yourself as we are all growing old, where as the time gone. I thought we would be on a paradise earth with our families by now. Oh well,we never did get to have that "CARROT" that ensnared millions of us back in the day.
Blueblades
the deeper you dig--the less impressive jw’s become!___________________you may think you know the men who are vitally important to the birth of the religion--but chances are good you’ve been kept in the dark.. _____________.
did you know?the 1st case heard by the supreme court of the united states concerning the watchtower society involved a director (an officer) of the watchtower, william franklyn hudgings.. a brief description of hudgings and his character.hudgings was an attorney, quack doctor, self-identified ‘scientist’, a pro-zionist, and religious enthusiast who over the years held various director and officer positions in the watchtower society, and the affiliated people's pulpit association and international bible students association.
at the time of this particular case, william hudgings acknowledged being the corporate secretary of the people's pulpit association and acknowledged that his daily duties included the administrative charge of printing of the watchtower magazine, the bible student's monthly, the kingdom news, and other watchtower publications.. (hudgings was also re-elected to the watchtower society board of directors in january 1919.
Terry, Excellent, outstanding history lesson. It reminds me of Don Cameron's Captives of a Concept page 45,those who do a history study of the watchtower don't ask for a Bible study later.
However,page 127 informs teaching Watchtower history is not easy for Jehovah's Witnesses for a couple of reasons...1.They have not studied it themselves. 2. There isn't any program set up for them to teach it.
This is how I and millions like me became a watchtower slave for 33 years! O how I wish I took the time to study their history back in 1969.
Like Don wrote and you have shown here, what did we know back then?It is persons like you who take the time to show us this history now that I am sure is helping many on this site to share your hard work and time for us to others.
Thanks again for your love! Blueblades
as jesus christ was preparing to go to his death, he encouraged his disciples with these words:.
"in my father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, i would have told you.
i go to prepare a place for you.
Meshech. Thank you for the memories. I was a watchtower slave for 33 years in Brooklyn.
With all due respect to all your hard work. This discussion from the Bible is meaningless and moot. This not an attack on you. It is about the issue of the bibical material being used as if it actually is the word of god.
Which many persons including myself believe it is the writings of men.Historically it has been proven that the bible is not from god. Hence,the reason I say that anyone using it is meaningless and moot.
However for those that do believe and can prove that belief, that the bible is actually from god to themselves than you have made a great effort to help them understand the one and only belief of the heavenly hope for them.
I only wish that I could be part of that belief but i am convinced otherwise.
Meshech take good care of yourself.
Blueblades
